The close up of an iris, a wave of bioluminescent algae or a flower shaped like a little human is not ‘SCIENCE!’. It is beautiful, beautiful nature.
You know what is science? Figuring out the damn what, where, how, when and why.
Interesting analysis of Kill the Moon by user Mankoi
Here it is (not my words but I agree on everything):
While the idea has potential, the execution is inane. Especially as they could have picked any number of ways to bring the general idea about that didn’t have so many weird plotholes. (Killing the creature doesn’t solve the problem of the moon being too massive, for one. … Even though it’s common sense that eggs don’t get more massive as they develop anyway). I mean, the whole of human history, all of time and space, you could have done anything. While Beast Below isn’t held as a good episode, the moral issue is similar, and doesn’t have nearly as many plot holes. Like moonrock (even if it’s eggshell, it still has the properties of moonrock) disintegrating for no reason at all. Or a creature managing to lay an egg nearly the size of itself offsceen during the time it took the Doctor to toss out some lazy exposition. Or creatures described in the script as being monocelular having teeth (I wouldn’t mind bacteria having teeth nearly as much if the dialog didn’t actively call attention to it that way.)
The base idea is fine, but ideas do not a story make. I can accept the moon being an egg, but it’s hard to accept that earth can set up a mining station on the moon, but suddenly have nothing to go up there and check on it with when something goes wrong, that trained pilots would crash their shuttle for no reason, that bacteria have teeth and can spin webs, that eggs increase in mass, that moonrock/eggshell can disintegrate for no good reason, that astronauts would discuss shooting the Doctor with guns they don’t have, AND that the moon is an egg. A silly concept can work, if you make the rest of the story sensible.
Everything in this story makes no sense and is just there to serve the plot. Why are things that are obviously spiders being called monocelular bacteria? The plot demands it. Why does moonrock disintegrate into nothingness for no reason? Plot demands it. Why doesn’t anyone mention that killing the creature doesn’t actually solve their problem? If they did, there’d be no plot. The plot demands that not come up. In a good story, a silly idea is pulled off in such a way as to seem sensible, all the parts of the story that are really just there to justify the plot are integrated in a way that’s sensible and can even be twisted to add more meaning and depth to the episode. In this episode, nearly every element is transparently there to clumsily set up an idea, or as padding. An idea, even a good idea, cannot carry the episode by itself.
EDIT: Oh, the character inconsistency is also a pretty big issue. I don’t mind the Doctor being a jerk this regeneration. But he made it pretty clear in the first episode that human life was not insignificant to him. Compared to the vast scale of the cosmos, sure, it’s pretty tiny. But I believe his words were “They’re always big to me.” This Doctor, this season, said that. So it’s a bit weird he wouldn’t clarify his remarks about the teenager being insignificant… except, again, that would wreck the plot, so we can’t do that.
The Tumblr line did make me laugh, I’ll credit the episode with that.
I just finished watching Kill the Moon and I took some notes so…
-ok but who is Courtney woods like why is she there since when are school students allowed to just wander onto the tardis shouldn’t It be locked
-speaking of why is the doctor still at the school
-Why isn’t pink more interested in time travel where is this guy where’d he go
-SHE’S NOT SPECIAL! YOU TOLD HER THAT!EVERYONE IS SPECIAL!900 YEARS OF TIME AND SPACE AND I GUESS YOUVE FINALLY MET SOMEONE WHO ISN’T IMPORTANT! BULLSHIT!!
-take her to the moon anyway sure why not
-2049 wtf you just had to pick that specific time you literally couldve stayed in 2014
-who are these new characters and why aren’t you paying attention to them
-fo real tho where’s the character development
-haven’t we already met the badass blonde astronaut? I’m pretty sure she’s been in other episodes before is this casting on purpose
-oh you dead
-big ass “unicellular” spiders wtf that’s not how science
-said spiders are also completely useless to the plot
-wait did he just leave…and tell Clara not to follow…doesn’t that usually mean follow…why isn’t she following
-lol bye space shuttle WITH THE 15 YEAR OLD SCHOOL STUDENT ON IT WHY AREN’T FREAKING OUT GO SAVE HER DAMMIT
-Courtney’s magically back
-wait its an egg. wtf
-why did this egg randomly grow so big like that’s one crazy growth spurt.
-ok but when he said it was probably the last of its kind did anyone else want it to be a space whale
-he just left. He left.
-he’ll come back tho right we’ve already been over this he doesn’t abandon Clara
-wait is this supposed to be about pro life?
-Who the hell is that person on the screen!!!?!!
-YOU HAVE BEEN ABLE TO CONTACT EARTH THIS WHOLE TIME AND YOU DID NOTHING
-that a stupid idea Clara. Only half of the world is dark and that half is SLEEPING!
-5 min left and the lights start shutting down in country sized chunks sounds legit
-wow you press the button anyway why’d you even bother with the poll
-WAIT A SEC COURTNEY WAS ON TUMBLR YOU HAVE INTERNET CONNECTION YOU COULD’VE LITERALLY SET UP AN ONLINE POLL
-twelves back as bushy as ever
-I’m so done with this episode an there’s still so much time left
-wait did you know shit doctor
-wait but it’s the middle of the day you shouldn’t be able to see that
-you’re trying to tell me that the NEWBORN dragon just laid an egg
-you’re just going to leave blondie there and let her walk to British NASA by herself
-YEAH YOU TELL HIM CLARA HES AN ASS AND YOU NEED TO TREAT YOURSELF GIRLFRIEND TELL HIM
-then again he kinda does save earth every other day ya’ll really do need to learn to make your own decisions
-but then again he shouldn’t have left you like that
-yeah ya know what tell him Clara he needs to hear this
-god you can just see the “I told you so” in his eyes
-wait was this whole thing just the doctor proving pink wrong
-is he gonna be at Clara’s house just creepin in the corner
-overall I’m 100% not ok with this show right now what is even happening
-i dont know it was kinda good but I feel so confused what am I supposed to think right now
This. All of this. I feel the same. Thank you!
I have this to say about the 8x07: Kill the Moon episode of Doctor Who because all the reactions are really polarized when, really, both parties have very valid points in the argument at the end of the episode.
As soon as it became a choice as to whether or not to kill the creature that was hatching from the moon, it became a massive allegory for consent when it comes to choosing whether or not to abort a child. (You could also probably carry this out to an allegory about what to do with late term abortions, considering how close it was to hatching.)
Certainly no one was pregnant. It was an egg. The mother itself wasn’t at all present. Instead, the Earth weighed in on it and chose to kill the baby to save itself rather than face the potential risks.. Clara decides otherwise.
And then the argument at the end of the episode happens.
Clara is angry at the Doctor for leaving and not telling her what was the right thing to do. She sites one the reasons she’s angry about it is because she almost made the wrong choice. The Doctor argues that it had to be her choice because it was her planet and Clara insists that it was his duty to help them choose. And really, I don’t think either of them are entirely correct.
Going back to the allegory of whether or not to abort it or to let it live, Clara is put into the role of the mother, empathetic but unsure of what to do. Courtney takes the role of the child, asking questions and trying to understand why a decision has to be made while wishing it didn’t have to. Astronaut Lundvik takes the role of the doctor and the crone, the logical character who would rather kill the (moon) child than be ruined by it because she knows all of the risk. Of course, Earth weighs in as well - maybe representing the pressure from society that a mother making this choice faces. In a way, each potential mother facing this decision has elements of these characters in them.
Continuing with the allegory, I would have to say that the Doctor does not occupy the role of the father. In fact, I think that the creature who laid the egg that is the moon would have to be the father - an absent one. So Earth is left to decide for itself.
So that leaves the Doctor, as he sees it, as the outsider. Steven Moffat, I believe, once stated that the Doctor is like a god trying to be human. But try as he might, that doesn’t make him human. In the Doctor’s mind, it’s not his baby so it isn’t his choice. It would directly affect the Earth so it’s the Earth’s choice to make. Whether or not he knew that the egg would hatch is obviously something he didn’t know in advance, otherwise they wouldn’t have had to go crawling all over the moon, trying to figure out what was happening. He knew something had made Earth look up at the sky and start spreading out, but I would guess that he didn’t look up in a history book exactly what had started it.
The Doctor sees it as Earth’s choice. So he leaves.
Clara sees it as abandonment. And, in a way, it is. She doesn’t see it as an issue of consent. Instead, she sees the Doctor as someone who should have chosen for her because she almost got it wrong. She didn’t want the training wheels off because she felt it was too big a decision for her to make on her own.
In a way, I think she is right and, on the other hand, I think she is also wrong.
The Doctor should not have left. Because if this allegory stands true, while the Doctor views himself as an outsider - which is accurate - Clara views him as a friend. Any woman who would have to make a decision like this would want friends around. For the Doctor to have left her there, she feels, is abandonment. When she needed someone to support her, he was gone, and she has every right to be angry about that. She has every right to tell someone who wasn’t there when they needed them most to take a hike.
But at the same time, Clara says that she almost got it wrong. And that was exactly the reason why he left.
He knew she would depend on him to make that decision - a man who knows all of history in a way and could tell her what the right decision was. If the Doctor was there, she would wait for him to tell her what to do. Either way you look at the role of the Doctor, the God or the friend, the Doctor was right to make her choose for herself.
If you see him as God, she’s asking her friend, God, what the right thing is to do, and he didn’t give her an answer because it wasn’t his choice to make. He knew that Clara would make the right choice because he knows Clara.
If you interpret him as Clara’s friend, again he was right to have made her choose for herself. If he had chosen, he would have been an outsider still. No matter how close to Earth he was in Clara’s mind, someone would have resented his decision. The original Torchwood, for instance, would have resented his involvement because he isn’t from Earth. For Clara to ask him to make that decision for them would have been just about as ludicrous as a woman asking her best friend to decide the fate of her unborn child. It had to be the choice of someone from Earth.
So, in closing, it’s my opinion the Doctor was an asshole for not supporting Clara when she needed his support as a friend and Clara is wrong in that it did need to be the decision of an Earthling who cared and not the Doctor.
This season has been very morally ambiguous and the writing has been truly incredible.
Well apart from the fact that the writing still has some enormous flaws at times (but also had really wonderful things, and this is from someone who was completely alienated by season 7), I admire your analysis very much!
Does anyone else think they should’ve just blow up the moon in that episode of Doctor Who? I mean, the information they were given was:
- hundreds (or more) of people have already been killed by this
- if they don’t destroy it there’s a very good chance many more people would die
I mean, I imagine down on Earth, people were screaming and crying and fucking terrified. People had died, and they chose the option that was most likely (according to the information they’d been given) to kill even more people? To be honest, mostly I’m just angry with how the episode was written, because literally all evidence pointed to “let the egg live = whole world dies”, and it was only afterwards that they were like “lol sorry we were just trolling it’s actually harmless”
and I still don’t get what the “point” the doctor was trying to make was. He was clever enough to work out that the egg hatching wouldn’t do anything bad and he decided to make everyone freak the fuck out instead. for no reason.
I’m just pretty angry at that whole episode to be honest.
Either the Doctor really didn’t know what was gonna happen, and then he should have stayed and helped with the tough decision ahead (I mean participating and expressing views, not making the decision for them).
Or he knew what would happen all along (and that the moon chicken was no threat at all and there would even be a preposterous new Moon and no egg shell debris whatsoever because of reasons??) and he’s putting the creature’s life at risk (what if they actually killed the moon chicken? Which would not even solve the gravity crisis back on Earth, plot hole eww!) and leaving the three humans faced with a cruel dilemma, again, for nothing (no actual threat). But is it because the Doctor is now a jerk who feel so superior to humans that he puts them in horrible situations to see how they will react, like bugs under a microscope? I’m sorry but it makes no sense even for the very alien Twelve. This regeneration said, this season ”They’re always big to me.”
Then, as per the Doctor’s speech at the end, is it to prove to Clara that humans are, deep down, good? I hope not, because every one on Earth proceeds to turn their lights off (including 2049-Clara and Courtney, who are presumably still alive at that time?!), so there goes humanity’s goodness. Even worse, the next minute, that whole plot thing of the TV message to the whole of humankind is suddenly thrown out the window and never addressed again (well, the astronaut does state they ignored it at the end, but nothing comes out of it). Not respecting humanity’s decision is completely defeating the purpose of the Doctor (and Clara) letting them choose. So does the Doctor do that because he wants to show Clara that she (and only she) is good and perfectly capable of saving the universe? But then he’s putting her into a horrible situation, without her consent, by keeping from her things he’s figured out and that she needs to know to make an informed decision, all that without her consent, and again, for nothing.
So yeah, the Doctor is a jerk either way, but I’d like to know what his motive really is for Clara’s outburst in the end to make any kind of sense. What is she calling him out on exactly? She says he’s patronising, but letting humans decide for themselves is, to me, the opposite of patronising (except you have to well, respect their decision, which Clara doesn’t do). And as for being a manipulative bastard, well, she should have called Eleven out on his bullshit ages ago. And her line about not wanting to be lumped out with all the insignificant stupid humans… what the hell? I hope it’s her way of telling the Doctor humans are not stupid and insignificant and not her way of saying she’s better than the rest of humanity because she’s friends with the Doctor.
Anyway, this episode is just lazy writing (and I’m not even mentioning the plot holes and ridiculous physics/biology) and I’m angry.